He made the comments on a new podcast, "The Backroom of Politics".

However, while taking climate change seriously, Brownlee says he does not use the term Climate Crisis because it frightens people too much, it disempowers people and implies we cannot do anything to make things better.

Ghahraman agreed.

"The research shows the ‘crisis' word is disempowering."

"We need to start using a different word."

"It's the balance between treating it as a really really serious thing and also helping to motivate change and action," she said.

Brownlee acknowledged there were 'deniers', but that he is not one of them.

He said it is not possible to ignore, the change in weather patterns and the merging of seasons that we are seeing.

Brownlee's view is there is little difference in intent between National and the Greens, rather it is more of a matter of how the two parties propose reaching the goal.

"National signed the Paris Agreement, we support the Zero Carbon Act, we supported the establishment of the Climate Change Commission, although I think it has become more activist than advisory, and we support the 2050 Zero Carbon target."

Electric vehicles

One of the differences of approach the MP's discussed is how to make a significant change to New Zealand's carbon output.

Addressing the issue of electric vehicles Ghahraman said "We're not going to see Climate Change addressed with a subsidy on electric cars."

But, "We need the Government to start somewhere to help people, across the board, make better decisions."

Ghahraman says New Zealanders do not necessarily want to have high emitting vehicles and rather than the EV subsidy policy, she prefers, that "finally", the government is going to initiate standards on the vehicles New Zealand imports.

"This is something we are really really behind on," she said.

Ghahraman says it is the role of the government to regulate in order to lead to a greener future.

She admits she is concerned that EV's are not affordable to most New Zealanders.

Brownlee said he disagreed with the Government's approach in providing a subsidy for low-emission vehicles.

He said that even the Transport Minister admits that when the scheme is 'fully up and running', it will make only a .04% difference to New Zealand's emissions profile.

"People want practical things they can do that might change our emissions profile," Brownlee said.

He questioned whether moving to EV's is something most New Zealanders will do, adding the country also has a supply shortage of electricity.

Proud of his party's achievement in Government, Brownlee pointed out that four years ago the country had a 90% rate of renewable energy, but now we have just 70%; adding the country is burning imported coal to keep the lights on.

"Going head-on into a solution without having all the background enabling the country to reach the solution is a problem."

While both agreed there is a need to transition to a cleaner environment, Ghahraman re-emphasised the important role government has in leading the change.

"Small steps make a difference," she said.

The discussion continues, touching on solar power (which Brownlee admits has at home), plastics particularly in supermarkets, the Auckland cycleway, rail transport and agriculture.

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The MP has seen a significant escalation in threats of violence following comments by ACT MP David Seymour, a source told Stuff.

Ghahraman is an Iranian-Kiwi refugee, lucky to escape war and persecution as a child.

Ghahraman said the situation was fuelled by a Newshub report on white supremacy, which detailed online threats including "hanging her like a lynch mob".

Two members of Parliament, Louisa Wall (Labour) and Jo Hayes (National), have written a letter to Seymour in their capacity as representatives of the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association.

"Your comments have had a significant adverse effect on Golriz and, in the absence of a Code of Conduct for members of the House, we ask that you reflect on your behaviour and consider offering a public apology to Golriz for the comments made, preferably in the House."

Speaker of the House Trevor Mallard says ACT Leader David Seymour's comments were bullying.

In an interview with Magic Talk radio's Sean Plunket about freedom of speech, Seymour referred to "mass murderers" in history such as Mao Tse Tung, Stalin and Hitler using the suppression of free expression to gain power.

He then added: "I just think Golriz Ghahraman is completely wrong.

"I don't know if she understands what she is saying but Golriz Ghahraman is a real menace to freedom in this country."

Seymour said he didn't feel responsible for the threats. "We have robust debates, she gives as good as she gets."

He said in a number of instances, Ghahraman had personally attacked him. "I've said that she is a menace to a particular issue, which is freedom of speech."

Ghahraman's studies at Oxford University and her career as a lawyer in New Zealand and overseas have focused on enforcing human rights and holding governments to account.

She worked for United Nations Tribunals as part of both defence (Rwanda and the former Yugoslavia) and prosecution (Cambodia) teams.

Her work has also included restoring communities after war and human rights atrocities, particularly empowering women engaged in peace and justice initiatives.

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• tvnz.co.nz
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