Agnostic - CathNews New Zealand https://cathnews.co.nz Catholic News New Zealand Thu, 10 Nov 2022 19:02:13 +0000 en-NZ hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 https://cathnews.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/cropped-cathnewsfavicon-32x32.jpg Agnostic - CathNews New Zealand https://cathnews.co.nz 32 32 70145804 What my teenage friends think about the church https://cathnews.co.nz/2022/11/10/teenage-friends/ Thu, 10 Nov 2022 07:10:07 +0000 https://cathnews.co.nz/?p=154001 teenage friends

Growing secularism among younger people is no secret. A 2019 Pew Research Center Survey of Americans aged 13 to 17 found that only 50 per cent believed religion was an important part of their lives, as opposed to 73 percent of their parents. This trend has caught the attention of the United States Conference of Read more

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Growing secularism among younger people is no secret.

A 2019 Pew Research Center Survey of Americans aged 13 to 17 found that only 50 per cent believed religion was an important part of their lives, as opposed to 73 percent of their parents.

This trend has caught the attention of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, which published on its website an article titled "Confronting Secularism Today" by Robert Spitzer, S.J., who posits four causes for this trend:

  • A perceived contradiction between God and science.
  • A lack of evidence for God from science and logic.
  • An implicit belief in materialism.
  • A general disbelief in the historicity and divinity of Jesus.

While all these factors may indeed cause some young people to abandon their faith, the list feels incomplete to me. After all, the same Pew survey found approximately 85 percent of teens believed in a higher power.

As a 17-year-old Catholic, I know many people my age who are abandoning their churches and their faith.

I spoke to a few to understand why. (I've used pseudonyms, due to the personal nature of their comments.)

The institutional church, to many of my peers, is seen as antiquated and corrupted by greed, paedophilia and bigotry.

They place the blame for these things on the shoulders of church leaders.

Still, many also feel personal dissatisfaction with the church.

While the answers my friends provided are anecdotal, a common theme emerged: The most prevalent issue that is widening the gap between young people and the church is the institution itself.

Stigmas and suffering

The tone and emphasis of catechesis, especially in preparation for the sacraments, can have a real impact on how young people perceive the church as a whole.

One of of my friends, Jo, talked about an abstinence and pro-life lecture she was required to attend in preparation for the Sacrament of Confirmation, a lecture she found deeply uncomfortable.

She felt the presenters left no room for genuine questions from those who doubted the church's teachings and focused too much on shame.

Jo told me she became concerned that people would assume that she would be similarly closed to the discussion around her politics or personal beliefs based on her religious affiliation.

"I would just [tell people] I'm a Christian, but I wouldn't say Catholic," she said.

The idea that somebody can be turned off by the church because of the church can be tough to grasp.

One of the people I spoke with is a friend of mine named Dominic, who has a strong faith in God and attends church every Sunday.

When I asked him if he thought the church was driving people away, he told me, "I think it is impractical to believe in God in the 21st century because people want to believe in what they see, not something that requires faith alone… They aren't used to the idea that something that cannot be seen can be real."

Dominic's answer also resonates strongly with the belief that people are leaving the institution because of a growing sense of materialism and a feeling that God doesn't have any room in daily life.

Another friend decided to walk away from religion because of a perceived separation between themselves and God.

James, who was raised Catholic and attended Mass every Sunday as a child, is now an agnostic.

While preparing for his confirmation, he began feeling that relying on an invisible God to help him out when times were tough wasn't enough.

Witnessing the long and painful deaths of his aunt and uncle, who were both very religious, also frustrated him.

James reflected on this experience by saying, "I guess it kind of set me back from religion just to realize what God can do to such kind people who also believed in him."

Today, James has abandoned the church and, for the most part, his faith.

James says he only entertains the idea of God existing when someone he knows is religious is going through a sad or painful ordeal.

In those situations, he says that he does pray for that person on the off chance that there is a God listening.

Confronting a secular trend

My friend Andrew is an atheist, raised by Catholic parents, who rarely attended Mass growing up.

For as long as I have known him, he has been vocal about his stance on religion as an unnecessary institution that sets unnecessary rules.

He says he is not against the church; rather, he simply feels no desire to attend. He also says the lack of exposure to religion has made him question its validity.

For Andrew, the concept of faith itself is challenging.

And indeed, Father Spitzer's four reasons do apply in Andrew's case, too, as he believes science and God contradict each other, and that there is little to no appreciable scientific evidence of a creator.

Andrew isn't opposed to going to Mass, but doesn't see himself as the type of person who would join the church.

He told me, "Maybe if the opportunity ever arose, I'd be open to it. But as of now, I don't really see a reason to attend Mass or attend church regularly."

While an intellectual approach may be able to answer some of the questions my secular-leaning friends have—like Andrew's questions on God in relation to science and James's questions on suffering—I believe the church leaders need to approach the issue from another angle, as well. Continue reading

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Does prime minster Ardern pray? https://cathnews.co.nz/2018/07/19/ardern-pray-prime-minster/ Thu, 19 Jul 2018 08:01:24 +0000 https://cathnews.co.nz/?p=109437 ardern

Does Jacinda Ardern talk to God? "No. But I have a real respect for people who have religion as a foundation in their lives, " she told Pathos in a recently published interview. "And I respect people who don't. I'm agnostic. "I don't spend a lot of time trying to figure it out. "I do Read more

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Does Jacinda Ardern talk to God?

"No. But I have a real respect for people who have religion as a foundation in their lives, " she told Pathos in a recently published interview.

"And I respect people who don't. I'm agnostic.

"I don't spend a lot of time trying to figure it out.

"I do draw a line if people are being taken advantage of - for instance, the tithes in some churches. I feel very strongly about that."

Ardern was raised Mormon but she was in her 20s when she left the Mormon faith, mostly as a consequence of its anti-homosexual stance.

She was flatting with three gay people and still going to church from time to time.

But then she came to the conclusion that she could no longer subscribe to a religion that did not account for the gay community.

Last year, in an interview in World Religion News, Ardern said that she could not see herself associating with an organised religion such as Mormonism again.

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Hindu to Atheist to Agnostic to Anglican to Catholic to priest https://cathnews.co.nz/2017/07/17/hindu-atheist-agnostic-anglican-catholic-priest/ Mon, 17 Jul 2017 08:13:50 +0000 https://cathnews.co.nz/?p=96431 Hindu, Atheist, Agnostic, Anglican, Catholic, priest

A remarkable journey will reach a new stage on 15 July when Br Robert Krishna OP will be ordained a priest by Archbishop Anthony Fisher OP at St Benedict's, Broadway. Br Robert's journey began in Bangalore, India. Originally a Hindu, he became an atheist at the age of 10, and in his late teens considered Read more

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A remarkable journey will reach a new stage on 15 July when Br Robert Krishna OP will be ordained a priest by Archbishop Anthony Fisher OP at St Benedict's, Broadway.

Br Robert's journey began in Bangalore, India. Originally a Hindu, he became an atheist at the age of 10, and in his late teens considered himself an agnostic.

When he was almost 18 he arrived in Australia and began a science degree at the University of Sydney, hoping to major in physics.

In 2001, about three years into his degree, he decided that mathematics was not his forte. At this time, he also began to suffer from depression.

The philosophical side to this depression was a worry about whether his own life, and judgements, human life and human judgements, and the world in general had any transcendent value at all, or if they were mere "sound and fury, signifying nothing."

It seemed to him that the only alternative was that the world and human beings had value because they were valued by someone not transient - God.

And the only reasonable historical claimant to divine status was Jesus Christ.

He was not mythological but really existed. So he began attending an Anglican Church and was baptised in September 2002.

He now realised that Christ is not merely a figure of history but a person to whom we can reach out.

Around this time, Br Robert encountered some Catholics at Sydney University.

One thing which impressed him was the fact that there were many young Catholics who were happy in living what the Church teaches.

"I was converted through their example and conversations, rather than through their arguments" he said.

Of the latter, one which sticks out was the exasperated comment of the chaplaincy convenor at the time, Robert Haddad: "You're never going to get all the answers to all your objections, and at some stage, you need to make a leap of faith."

It was a throwaway line, but it contains a truth which bothered Br Robert until it ended up convincing him.

He was received into the Church in 2003 and confirmed a year later by then-Bishop Anthony Fisher OP, who had just been ordained a Bishop. Continue reading

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